Podcast transcript:
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Hey survivors, today's episode is about grief, resilience, and finding meanings through storytelling, loss, healing, and
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the legacies we carry forward.
Welcome and Guest Introduction
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[music] Welcome to the Sandwich Generation Survival Guide. I am your host, Candace
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Delicona, and on today's episode, we have the one and only Marne Schneider.
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I'm going to embarrass her a little with a bit of an introduction, Marne, because you have such a vast array of
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experiences and I'm so happy to have you here. So, for those who are listening, Marne is an author. She is a speaker.
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She is the creator and the brains behind Football Freddy's Children's book
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series, which was inspired by her very unique childhood, traveling with an NFL
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team that happened to have been owned by her grandfather who owned the Philadelphia Eagles. So, we are so happy
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to welcome Marne here to talk to us about life in the sandwich generation. From her roots in an iconic NFL family
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to raising kids to being a caregiver for her amazing mother we're going to learn all about. Welcome, Marne.
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Oh, Candace, thank you so much. What a beautiful introduction and I appreciate that. It is always nice to hear people
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say nice things about your family and your loved ones. So, thank you. I appreciate that. Oh, you're welcome. And that's just the
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tip of the iceberg. We've already spoken before, Marne, and we found each other
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on social media, and I was really drawn to your warmth and lightness. So, I'm so
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happy that you're here today, and you're going to fill us in. So, let's start in the beginning. Probably a lot of our
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listeners are excited to hear about someone who grew up literally traveling
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with an NFL team. So, what would you describe as a quote normal memory for
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yourself that would probably feel surreal for the rest of us? So, I think that yes, I grew up in an
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NFL family. My grandfather, like you mentioned, Leonard Toes on the Philadelphia Eagles and my mom Susan ran
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the team for my grandfather. So my mom Susan was and to this day still is the only female that's ever held the titles
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of vice president, legal counsel, and general manager of a professional football team. So what does that mean
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growing up being an only child of a single working parent? It means like other people that have had single
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parents that take their kids to work, I went to work with my mom all the time. It was no different than some of my
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friends whose parents were maybe in the HBAC business or going to be a lawyer or
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a doctor. My mom was also a lawyer, but the law that she practiced was traveling around with an NFL team and representing
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the team and the players. So, I had an incredible opportunity to travel around going to different games and seeing
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different cities and still being a child and being told to get your notebook, get
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in the back of the plane, this is for the executives and the coaches up in the front and take your Sony Walkman and
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your bag of cassettes because I'm that old. And your batteries and go back there and I'll see you when we land.
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That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when you were living it, were you aware of how unique your life was at
Grandpa Glam vs Mom Normal
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that time? And if not then, when did it sort of dawn on you, Marne?
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Uh, I think that I knew that it was different with my grandfather. Grandparents spoiled their grandchildren
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in different ways than parents do. So, I don't think it was much different than other experiences my friends had with
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their grandparents because when a grandparent spoils their grandchildren, it tends to be on the more grandiose
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side. When a parent spoils their kid, it's kind of vulgar and gross in a lot of ways. So, I think that
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I knew with my grandfather the experiences were different. It was definitely an elevated time and things
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were more unique. When I was with my mom, it was like, "No, we shop at Lomman's or Marshalls, not at Nean
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Marcus." I was with my grandpa where it was like, "Oh, no. We're gonna go FAO Schwarz. We're going to go do all the good stuff, sit in the front of the
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plane, have lobster tail with drawn butter." But with my mom, it was like, you get a cheeseburger from McDonald's,
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go to the back. That was it. [laughter] But I love So, yeah.
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I love that. You're kind of right that that's probably an experience for those of us who were fortunate enough to have
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our grandparents in our lives. That is usually the job of a grandparent, which
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is to indulge and then the job of the parent to bring us back down to earth.
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So that that's so funny. Do you have a favorite memory from that time related
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to football behind the scenes that you could share with us that still strikes you?
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I'm sure you have. many I mean my grandfather people would refer to him as our town's answer to the great Gatsby
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and there are many examples of that. So my grandfather loved to have a good time
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and he loved for people to have a good time. So whether it was landing his helicopter, yes, his helicopter,
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Candace, on the football field of my high school, which was almost like h embarrassing. There were times when
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you're just like, no, I don't want I just want to have fly under the radar. Yeah. But but looking back on it, it was
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like, no, I'm going to land the helicopter and I'm going to take you to lunch with your friends and we're going
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to fly to New York and go to PJ Clark's in New York City and have lunch and then go shopping and then bring you back
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home. So yeah, there were moments like that. Most kids do not get that, but again, it was coming from this like
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place of love for the grandparent, not of this kind of yucky pretentiousness.
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Now I guess nowadays we post it on social media, but it was really just to have a good time. And my grandfather
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loved to give me great memories. And then again, you said that my mom it was
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her responsibility to unplug the computer and reset me and get me back squared away, back to normal, not being
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like, "Oh, no. We just fly to PJ Clark's for lunch and then turn around and go back." No, it was like microwave popcorn and some
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frozen jello or whatever. That's your dinner tonight cuz I'm a working mom and that's fine. And it worked. But that's a
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perfect segue though to talk about how multifaceted your grandfather was and the family legacy because obviously he
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was a person that tried to show you the finer things in life and you were able
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to enjoy these things. But let's not forget the fact that your grandfather was one of the people who started the
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Ronald McDonald House, which is such an incredible legacy of love and kindness,
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thinking about sick children and trying to figure out ways to make the family
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their lives better when dealing something like that. Your grandfather really instilled upon you and your mom
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the sort of family legacy. So, when did you realize that it wasn't just about
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having these treats with your friends and your grandfather brought you in on that family legacy of giving? So, I
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think from a very early age, Candace, I knew that giving and making a difference were part of the responsibility of being
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involved in a professional team. My grandfather really treated the team as the community's team, as the fans team,
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and did everything to make sure that a he wanted to have a winning team. So that meant getting great players and
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getting great coaches and great executives, but also finding ways to give back to the community. I think I
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realized it again, this will definitely put an age on me, but in 1984 or
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something like that, Cabbage Patch dolls were huge. All right, and they were the big rage. and he was able to secure a
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few hundred Cabbage Patch dolls and we went to Children's Hospital to give out
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the Cabbage Patch dolls. And that was something during the holidays that was such an important core memory for me of
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knowing that that was fun. That was what he loved owning the Eagles because he loved making a difference in other
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people's lives. It wasn't a vanity project for him as much as it was finding ways to give back. Whether it
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was getting a few hundred Cabbage Patch dolls and handing them out to the kids at the hospital, of course, like you
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said, creating the very first Ronald McDonald House in Philadelphia in 1974,
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finding ways to make families feel comfortable while they were going through something incredibly traumatic.
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There's nothing more traumatic than a sick child. I've had a sick child, I know. The flip side of that is having a
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sick parent and not knowing how to navigate that. So, the Ronald McDonald House gave families a place to go while
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their children were sick. And it was a place that they could get certainly meals and volunteers were there cooking
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meals and taking care of families while they were dealing with their sick children, but also getting emotional
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help and getting some support and understanding what was going on and learning how to navigate this new life
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that they were experiencing with a sick child who hopefully was going to get well. There were no guarantees. And
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certainly back in the 70s and even today, you can't you just don't know. You just got to do the best. Get a great
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team of doctors and roll the dice and hopefully you'll get lucky. That's really what it comes down to.
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Yeah. It's such an incredible legacy, especially thinking that your grandfather initiated this 50 plus years
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ago because the concept of supportive care is something that a lot of people
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are talking about now. a lot of grassroots movements for supportive care which are the things that you just
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mentioned making sure that families have a great meal and a place to be and
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economically they can afford it while their family member in this case their child is sick. So it's just an
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incredible legacy that your grandfather built building this team building an impact and then passing that on to you.
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But let's transition and talk about your incredible mom who you really served as
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her caregiver during the time she was sick. But she was such a trailblazer in the NFL and that cannot be overstated
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enough. The fact that she went to law school as a single mom, you know, I know
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she went to law school later in life and she still remains the only person who filled all three roles is just
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remarkable. So, what did you absorb, Marne, as the daughter of this
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incredible force and let's face it, a maledominated sport, a male-dominated industry, even
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for those who are NFL adjacent. What is your biggest takeaway from watching your
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mom for all those years? And first of all, thank you, Candace. Yeah, my mom is an incredible woman. I
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think that there's a couple different things. So, first of all, bravo to my grandfather, her dad, for recognizing
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her talent. Because sometimes parents are not capable of recognizing how great
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their kids are because again, it seems like, oh, that's just a handout or a gimme because it's your kid. Of course,
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she's going to get that job or of course he's going to get that job. But, you know, my grandfather was a very strong,
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resilient, very smart guy. And he was like, I looked around and you know what?
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My daughter is really the most qualified for this job. and I'm gonna put her in the highest position of all of
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professional sports. And I don't care what anybody else says because she's good, she's smart, she's got it, she's
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going to turn this kind of hobby business back at the in the 80s, NFL teams were kind of run like a hobby and
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now they're run like a business, but they were run a little mom and pop shop in many ways. Yeah, they weren't. But
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you got to think about it like the 70s everything was with cash. There were no credit card. Just everything was done.
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So, I think that my grandfather understood that my mom was able to carry that job. And what I saw my mom do was
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say, "Okay, I'm in this position. It's the highest position in all of professional sports. I'm going to hire
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the most talented people, whoever they are, man, woman, whatever. It didn't matter." and my mom put together an
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incredible core group of people that are still friends today that are still now my friends today which is such a
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blessing for me that I get to be friends with people that my mother hired and I still talk to them consistently whether
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it's front office people a few coaches and I think that my mom understood talent she understood grit she
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understood resilience and she wanted to give people even if they had no resume
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that looked great she wanted to still if they had core her qualities that were
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great, she wanted them on her team and that's what she did, which is an amazing role model to be
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able to observe. So, how do you think looking back now, Marne, as a mom and as
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an entrepreneur yourself, how do you think your mom was able to
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balance the sort of super high power role where she was in charge with being
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your mom? Uh, I think that it was very difficult, but I think that every parent, whatever
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position you're in, it's difficult. I think that my mom's position was incredibly difficult because people were
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publicly calling her bad names and not so nice because now suddenly there's a
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woman in this job that has been traditionally held by a guy. I think
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that my mom had a good sense of humor. She knew she was qualified. She had put in the work. She was prepared. So, I
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think with anything when you're prepared, my grandfather would say, "If you're not prepared, don't show up." So, I think my mother was prepared and she
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knew also that she could make mistakes and that we were going to learn through her mistakes. And so, I think my mom did
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a great job of trying to celebrate the wins, but also not make it so that I
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couldn't be me either. And she wanted me to have an as much of a normal, whatever that means, childhood as possible. And I
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think that I did. Yeah, obviously you turned out fantastic, so she must have done a lot, right? We talk about the
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incredible person that your mom was and you shared with me that you lost your mom in the last year. But before you
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lost her, you really stepped in, Marne, as her greatest advocate and her
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caregiver when she was diagnosed with a memory impairment condition that a lot of our loved ones have. So can you talk
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a little bit about that role reversal from seeing this icon for lack of a
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better word who you so brilliant and
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really commanded such respect in the industry to being diagnosed with a
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memory impairment condition and then you taking over the role as the person caring for her. I was thinking about
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this, Candace, and you had sent me a questionnaire about when did you notice or whatever, and here's how it actually
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kind of unfolded. I'm in the carpool line picking up my kids, one of them, and I think it was my youngest one. And
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he was like, "Mom, I don't where are you? Where are you?" And he couldn't see where I was in the carpool line. And so,
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obviously, I was there. And it was a similar situation with my mom right around the same time where she had flown
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in. She was living on the west coast and we had just moved back to the east coast and she was struggling finding me at the
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airport which was something I was like this is weird. I don't know what's going on and it was a very similar
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conversation that I had just experienced like a few days prior to that with my younger one at the carpull line that
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like a little bit of urgency of like where are you and I was like just look up and I'm right there. I'm the first
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one in carpool line but my mom had that same experience. I was like oh here we go. And like I knew that at that moment
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I was like here we go. This is what people have talked about and what I've heard about and I'm totally in an
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uncharted world but I know what I'm about to experience and am I you're never ready for it and you're never
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ready for any of it. You're never really ready for it with the as a with whatever part
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you're doing. But you know you just roll up your sleeves and you do it and that's it. And that's what we do. You just roll
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up your sleeves and you do it. And so I think for me navigating my mom's dementia for almost a decade now and at
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the same time being a full-time single parent emotionally and financially their provider the past 10 years. Candace I
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feel like have kind of been I've been living in a time warp of sorts. Now I'm
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at a place where my kids are older. They're in college and one's graduated. My mother has now been gone for just
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about a year. So I'm like okay I have to restart myself again. And what is that
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gonna be like? I mean, it's gonna great because that's the way that we do it, but I mean, that's really how it goes.
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It's like a just a major restart and that's it. Yeah. And so all of our listeners that
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are in this space, Marne, I think one of the hardest sort of feelings that we can't escape is
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that this time really is a season. As you point out now, you had a long season. And 10 years is a long time to
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be a caregiver, particularly as someone declines and as your kids get older. And
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there's so much tension there trying to advocate for an older loved one and
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raise kids on your own and not lose yourself. So where did you find the biggest
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tension to be when you were doing both things? What's the best sort of advice or cheerleading phrase you can give to
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our audience who are exactly where you were for those 10 years when they were being pulled and you that you were being
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pulled in two different directions. Yeah. And you know what every journey is different and so I what I say is it's
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scary and it's uncertain but my experience Candace is the more invested
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I am in things the better I feel. So if my mother wasn't living with me and I
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was fortunate enough that I had a situation in my home that it worked out where she could stay here with me and
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live here. Now that is unique. A lot of people don't have that luxury that that happens. But for me the way that I coped
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with it was to get really invested and really involved and figure things out. I couldn't cure this disease. It was very
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frustrating. I still can't cure it. Believe me, for somebody who's a problem solver, it's very difficult. My mother
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was a problem solver. She started her career solving problems and I wanted to be able to do that as well. You can't
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solve the problem, but what you can do is try to get invested in getting the best care and still trying to find ways
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to be a great parent and find some fun. And there's some ugliness, but trying to
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enjoy the ugliness. And it's hard when you're sitting there and it's kind of like a lotus flower, like you're growing
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through this swamp of ugliness, but eventually you're going to bloom and blossom. But while you're doing it and
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while you're in it, it's rough. But you're gonna get through it. You are. But it's ugly. It's uncomfortable.
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I love that. That's a great analogy, though, because out of all of that difficulty comes something really
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beautiful. You and I talked about how you really looked at that time with your
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mom living with her or her living with you as such a blessing. And it's true. We don't often get that
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quality time with our parents one-on-one after we move out of their house. Yeah. So, making sure your perspective is
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something that can try to spin it even on the worst days. A lot of our listeners talk about the guilt that they
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feel not being able to do it all. Did you ever go through that, Marne, where you felt guilty because you couldn't do
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it all between the boys and your mom? Yeah, of course. And also as a parent,
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you feel guilt if you're trying to have a life and do certain things like I wanted to be the first one in the
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carpull line to pick up my kids and go to the riding ring with my daughter and then go to the football field with my
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son and you physically like we cannot be and I've now learned I can be in like two places at the same time almost
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almost but three is almost impossible to do. So, you feel guilt, but you cannot.
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You have to just remind yourself like, hey, I'm human. I'm not a robot. I'm doing the best that I can. And
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everybody's just gonna have to just take a moment because we all are trying to figure this stuff out. And at the end,
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it's like we're going to get there, but it's a long circuitous path and we're just going to have to be on that journey
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and experience it. But we're better for it. My mom was such a great grandparent and she was such an incredible provider
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emotionally and financially for my kids and that was fun and great for everybody. And then what happens when
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that stops? It's like when the cheering stops, what happens? You just walk away
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from that person or you're like, "All right, bye. Whatever. That show's over, folks." No, you sit there and you still
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want to contribute and be part of that and then cheer for them. And I think that those are great lessons that my
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kids learned from learning to do that for my mom and being there and being supportive of my mom. She had de frontal
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lobe dementia which they refer to as the black belt of dementias. She couldn't talk, she couldn't feed herself, she
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couldn't walk, she couldn't do anything, but she was a breathing human being. Very different than what they had
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experienced the first early years of their life. But they still got some comfort and she got comfort from being
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there with them and vice versa. So I think that my kids saw me step into this
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role that I was totally unprepared for. But in reality, what are we really prepared for in life? Not much.
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Yeah. Yeah. I love that you're bringing it. That was going to be my next question that what did you hope that
Kids Lessons and Tradeoffs
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your kids learned from this experience of a you taking mom in and being her
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advocate and b watching someone this sort of powerhouse decline over time? So
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what do you think the lesson they learned that they're going to walk away
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from? And is it different for each kid, Marne? Do you think like your boys would take something different than your
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daughter from their experience watching you take care of your mom? Yes. I would say this that my three
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children are incredible young adults and very compassionate and very empathetic
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and the four of us are incredibly close and they like to be around me and I love
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to be around them. So I would say that their experiences of watching their grandmother decline was a very difficult
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one. challenging day to watch anybody. But I think that what they learned was again resilience and grit. My mom really
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hung in there for a very long time. The doctors gave her a very short timeline
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and she with everything she did in her life, she was like, "Yeah, no, I'm going to far far outlive that." And from an
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economic point of view, that becomes something that some families really do
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struggle with. And certainly I was no different. I was definitely trying to figure out ways to make it work. And we
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did and we do. But the economic impact of having inhome health care and trying
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to do things at the same time be, you know, providing for your children's sports and college and tutoring or
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whatever. Vacations became a little more simple. And that's a trade-off. And everything in life, I find, is a
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trade-off. And I think it's a good trade-off. And it's good for my kids to say, you know what, we're going to not
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go on a ski trip this year. we're going to just stay home and make ice cream sandwiches cuz that's what we're doing
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this year because we want to make sure that mom is okay and all of these things. So, I think that learning that
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pivoting and adjusting is such a good useful life skill. I they never had to
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do it but they now that we've gone through it I'm like all right now you guys know that you can do anything and
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you've seen you've seen and you've experienced pivoting for family and that's really what I think defines your
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character. Absolutely. And one of the things you just touched on is that you're in this new phase of life, Marne,
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where you were there for your mom for the better part of a decade. You raised the kids on your own. You were the
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epitome of the sandwich generation. And now we're here with Marne and the next
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chapter. And one of the things I love so much about you is your positive attitude
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and turning your personal experiences into something that people enjoy. And
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that is really what you did with the Football Freddy series. So let's talk
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about you a little bit. You've been kind talking about other people, but let's talk about you and how you came up with
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the Football Freddy series and what kind of made you finally tell that story. Marne. Well, thank you. It's like at
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this point in my life, I'm a little loose because I just don't know. My kids are older. They still need us. Yeah.
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And they want my guidance and they want my help and there's 25 phone calls a day, which I'm so thankful for. Believe
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me, if my phone didn't ring from them, I'd be like, "What's wrong?" That would make me sad. But at the same time,
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Football Freddy and Fumble the Dog, and this is Fumble the Dog sitting on my lap right now. Fumble right here
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for those listeners. Very cute. So, Football Freddy and Fumble the Dog is a book series, a children's book series
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based loosely on my life growing up and traveling around and seeing all these great NFL cities and learning about
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those cities that have professional football teams and the things that make them really unique, whether it's
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history, whether it's food, travel, tourism, and so forth. And again, it started with my mom saying my mom was a
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history teacher and an English teacher before going to law school and being an entrepreneur. She was a teacher. So when
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I would get on these long plane rides, she would hand me a legal pad and say, "Write down things." And so this started
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in the 80s. And then right before she was really about to get diagnosed, I think she knew something wasn't right.
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She said, "Let's take out those stories that you wrote and let's do something with it." So Football Freddy and Fumble
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the Dog Game Day in Philadelphia came to be. And then that book did really well and kids and families liked it. Freddy,
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who's a girl based, like I said, loosely on me and yeah, her friend Billy from Philly. So,
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you travel around, you see the Liberty Bell and you see the National Constitution Center and Independence
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Place and then you make your way to the stadium to cheer on the home team because again, sports are my language. I
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speak sports. I think that it is the universal language. I love the arts and I love obviously other cultures, but I
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love American sports. I love football, baseball, you know, I like that. So, we figured it was a great way to get
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families connected through learning about their local teams, speaking a little bit of sports, getting young
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women and young girls excited about being able to know what a touchdown is or a football. It brings everybody
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together. We did Philadelphia and that did really well. And so, I've written 12
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other cities since then. So, we've got Football Freddy and Fumble Dog game day in the Carolinas. Game day in Atlanta,
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game day in Chicago, game day in Dallas Fort Worth, game day in Tampa Bay, game day in Green Bay, game day in San
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Francisco, game day in Kansas City, Denver, game day at the Pro Football
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Hall of Fame, and Miami will be out this fall. And we are now, we just got a
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license with Major League Baseball. So, baseball Billy, she doesn't look like Freddy, but she's another character that
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we created. and Bunt the Dog is out and we've got two books, Philadelphia and
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Game Day in New York with the New York Yankees. So, all right, learn about New York City and learn a little bit about
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baseball. Going on the actual I really think that sports and if kids can speak a little bit of sports, it brings
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everybody together. I love it. And you know what I also love, Marne, is that through everything
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that you have dealt with throughout your life, you were able to hold on to who
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you are and your identity through all of these kind of derivations in these
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seasons of your life. So, what would you say to those particularly the moms out
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there where we're doing everything we can for our kids to make their experience a good one, have a nice
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childhood, and be there for them and be there for our aging parents? What was
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maybe something that helped you hold on to your identity when you were in the middle to be able to then take off and
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now write this incredibly successful series of books. For me, it was about I
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liked myself. I want to like myself. I want to be somebody that is a good friend and I want to be somebody that is
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a good listener and somebody that other people can turn to. And so I think as a
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mom it's hard sometimes because we get so wrapped up in this heaviness of our
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children and people that are around us. But I also think that if you like yourself by just doing some simple basic
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things that are that might seem a little bit selfish like staying in bed all day for example some days or just a few
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extra hours. Those are okay and you have to give yourself grace. You have to give yourself grace. There are some days
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where I'm just like you know what I am gonna I'll get up. I love to get up, feed my dogs, and I get back in bed. And
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I'm like, I'm okay doing that. I know I've got other things to do, but I'm gonna just sit here and I'm going to do that. And that's my own version of
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meditation. And also, I write in my gratitude journal. And it sounds so corny, but it's it really is your
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business plan for life. If you can't spend a few and it's just two minutes a day, I just on my phone, I write in my
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gratitude journal. I'm like, that is my business plan for my own personal journey every day. And I do that.
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Yeah. Takes two minutes. And that is that's a great lesson for those of us who hear
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about the term self-care and what that means. I think a lot of people are
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almost overwhelmed by the term because they say, "Well, how can I find the time to go to get a massage or I don't have
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money to do something like that." So self-care can be these little pockets of
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time during your day to sleep in a little bit to write down something that you're grateful for. I love that you
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point out that it's accessible to all of us. And so if you had to advise someone
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who's in the thick of it right now, Marne, you and I are not in our caregiving days. I myself am no longer a
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caregiver and my kids are a little bit older, although I still have one in high school. He's certainly more
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self-sufficient than they were when they were younger. But for those who of us who are overwhelmed, what's one thing
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you'd want them to hear from you about your journey? That it's going to be okay and you're
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going to be okay and it's going to be again like we talked about this like similar to the lotus flower. It's going
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to be ugly. There are going to be moments of sadness and you just want to rip your skin off because you can't fix
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things and you can't do things, but it's going to be okay. And it sounds cliche and you know what? There's going to be
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moments where it's going to be really hard. But we do hard things as people. And the harder the things that you do,
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you do feel good about it in a weird way. Like I don't certainly feel good about my mom being gone, but I feel good
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about the way that she was able to live her last years of life and I was able to
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participate in that and be a good role model, I think, for my children, for my friends. And also, you know what? Don't
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listen to what anyone else says. Here's the other thing is my kids know this. Like I don't really care at this point in my life what other people say. I just
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nicely listen. I'm like, "Oh, thanks. That's so great." I'm like, "I give a rat's ass what you say." But I listen. I'm gracious enough to listen. Because
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unless you've really been through it, unless you've really been through it, other people's version
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is not yours and it never will be and they want to be kind and they want to give you suggestions, but you know,
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you're your own best adviser. Bet on yourself all day. I would say bet on yourself all day. You know what you're
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I love that. And you said it before, showing yourself grace, being so proud of the caregiver
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that you are that it is just a season and it doesn't last forever. And you are your best sort of counsel. I think
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that's such great advice, Marty, and you have lived it. I just want to say thank you so much for spending some time with
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us today and sharing your story. We're going to put links in this episode so
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that our listeners can find the football Freddy series and the new series about baseball, even the Mets fans. Hopefully,
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you'll come out with a As a Phillies fan, though, although I'm a people say, "How could you write books
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about other NFL cities?" I'm like, "I'm a football fan. I love people that accomplish things and that work hard."
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Although, of course, I love Philadelphia. But the Mets will be coming. We'll get to the Mets. We, as a Phillies fan, I was like, "All right,
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the Mets, they've beaten us the past couple years. if I don't a little bit. So, the Mets fans are used to waiting. They
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are patient for sure, Marne. So, we'll be on the lookout for it. And thank you again so much for spending so much time
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with us today. Thank you, Candace. Thank you, everyone. Thank you.
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